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Sense on Global Warming

March 5th, 2007 at 04:05am

I don’t know about you, but as far as I’m concerned, the notion that humans are the primary reason for global warming seems nuts to me. I don’t deny that humans may have had some impact on it, but it is my view that global warming is part of a larger warming and cooling cycle of the planet, one that has been going on for a lot longer than we have been recording weather phenomena.

Now it seems the sun may be responsible for global warming, as Mars is apparently experiencing a similar warming to Earth. It seems logical that the one object which prevents this planet from freezing would be responsible for it getting hotter and colder…there has to be a reason for the ice age, and one can only assume that the earth is warmer now than it was during that ice age, so it seems reasonable that it would continue to do so, and then eventually move back towards an ice age.

Perhaps it is time that we, as a race (or indeed a species), stop pretending that we are almighty and powerful and can cause things which have been happening for thousands, if not millions, of years. We may have some influence, but the majority of the issue is surely out of our control.

Samuel

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  • 1. John_Barnes  |  March 5th, 2007 at 8:50 am

    Hmmmm ….. careful Samuel, you might be accused of being a
    “greenhouse gas denier” , haha.
    Fortunately, it’s not a crime in this country – yet.

    Trendy terms in use at the moment include –

    Greenhouse gases
    Global warming
    Carbon credits
    Walk, don’t drive

  • 2. seepi  |  March 5th, 2007 at 5:32 pm

    Replacing forests with factories cannot be good for the Earth.

  • 3. Samuel  |  March 5th, 2007 at 5:34 pm

    Also true.

  • 4. Bearded Clam  |  March 5th, 2007 at 7:39 pm

    What if they were forbidden forests?

  • 5. Jey  |  March 6th, 2007 at 6:47 am

    Or spooky forests?

  • 6. John B1_B5  |  March 9th, 2007 at 9:04 am

    I heard some ‘expert’ on the radio a few days ago, claiming that
    global warming being caused by greenhouse gases was a “load
    of bollocks”.

    Naturally Al (‘It’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to’ ) Gore wouldn’t
    agree with that. ( Not related to Leslie Gore).

  • 7. Hans Fruck  |  March 9th, 2007 at 12:29 pm

    What really seems nuts to me, Samuel, is that despite the vast preponderance of scientific opinion telling you that global warming is taking place, you choose to ignore it.

    Yes, it’s always possible, if you search hard enough, to find contrarians who will go against scientific consensus — and it’s even easier to find naysayers who are funded by Big Oil. I simply don’t understand why you’re so prepared to swallow whole the opinions of the (very small) scientific minority, yet blithely discount the opinions of all the other experts.

    Your post is glib and dismissive. I can only assume it’s the result of willful ideological blindness.

  • 8. Hans Fruck  |  March 9th, 2007 at 12:48 pm

    BTW, I followed your link. You do realise that climatologists — you know, people who actually study the climate, as opposed to doing space research — dispute your man’s claims? How can you claim this as evidence of your theories?

    If you want a survey of the current state of climatologist opinion, try this: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

    It might be fun to buttress your opinions with facts. Try it and find out.

    PS: John, your Gore jibes are infantile. The entire world is currently paying the price of Gore’s scandalous defeat in 2000 at the hands of the US Supreme Court.

  • 9. Samuel  |  March 9th, 2007 at 12:56 pm

    Scientists are proved wrong all the time…you do remember that it was once widely believed that the earth was the centre of the universe don’t you?

    Just because I’m not an all knowing scientist doesn’t mean I can’t be right.

    And you are right about one thing, I choose not to believe the overwhelming scientific evidence about global warming. I’m also in the minority of people who aren’t convinced that the footage of the initial (and subsequent) moon landings are real…maybe we went there, but I just don’t believe that the footage is real.

    Dismiss me as a raving nutcase if you will.

  • 10. John B1_B5  |  March 9th, 2007 at 1:06 pm

    That should be Lesley Gore, not ‘Leslie’.

  • 11. Hans Fruck  |  March 9th, 2007 at 1:11 pm

    If you think any helpful parallel can be drawn between pre-Copernican “science” and the current debate, then you’re mistaken. Yes, scientists, even a majority of scientists, have been wrong before and will be wrong again. But, unlike you, I don’t use this as a pretext to dismiss whatever science I find unpalatable.

    The pertinent point is why you place such faith in the scientific fringe when there is far more evidence to support the view of the vast majority. To me, this doesn’t seem like a case of you weighing the evidence in good faith, then coming to a conclusion. Rather, it’s a case of you seizing on any argument that fits your preconceptions and your ideological orientation.

    You are duly dismissed.

  • 12. Samuel  |  March 9th, 2007 at 1:16 pm

    Thank you for your dismissal…I will continue to exercise my right to an ill-formed opinion.

  • 13. Hans Fruck  |  March 9th, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    Of course, you’re entitled to your opinion, Samuel. But why settle for an “ill-formed” one?

    Resolve in the service of uninformed opinions is resolve wasted.

  • 14. John B1_B5  |  March 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pm

    Al Gore’s grossly over-exaggerated (and unproven) documentary
    has unduly upset and scared a lot of people.

  • 15. Samuel  |  March 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pm

    Because I have held the opinion for a long time, and the only reason I call it ill-formed is because the evidence to support it is flimsy. I believe it, so I think you answered the question earlier when you referred to it as an “ideological orientation”.

  • 16. Hans Fruck  |  March 9th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    And what exaggerations are they, John?

  • 17. John B1_B5  |  March 9th, 2007 at 2:05 pm

    That the main cause of global warming is caused by ‘greenhouse
    gases’.

    Gore showed some extracts of his documentary on the Oprah
    show, and there were gasps of anguish and sheer terror from
    the audience.
    One woman even fainted !

    The man is a scaremongerer.

  • 18. John B1_B5  |  March 9th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    Read what Dr. Nir Shariv, one of Israel’s top scientists says
    about it –
    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=069cb5b2-7d81-4a8e-825d-56e0f112aeb5&k=0

  • 19. Hans Fruck  |  March 9th, 2007 at 4:46 pm

    Yes, interesting. But this doesn’t change the fact that Dr Shariv is part of a very, very small minority on this issue. Are we to wait until there’s 100% agreement in the scientific community before we change our approach to emissions and resource consumption? If that’s the case, then we’ll never make any changes, because you’ll never get 100% agreement. Meanwhile, if CO2 > climate change link proves to be a reality, as the vast majority of climatologists believe it is, then we’re staring down the barrel of a catastrophe.

    You’re willing to bet the planet on the prospect that a minority opinion will be proven right. A more responsible attitude would be to modify behaviour on the assumption that the overwhelming majority opinion is right. After all, the consequences of unnecessarily modifying the way we consume and generate energy, should the CO2 link be a figment of our imagination, are far less dire than the consequences of not doing anything, should the link turn out to be real.

  • 20. John999555  |  March 10th, 2007 at 11:00 am

    Al has really been enjoying the limelight lately.

    In 12 months time he’ll be begging Oprah to appear on her
    show again, but by then he’ll be old news !

  • 21. Samuel  |  March 12th, 2007 at 10:47 pm

    Clearly I’m a bit late with this reply…but I think it is worthwhile noting that the majority isn’t always right.

  • 22. John B1_B5  |  March 14th, 2007 at 4:34 pm

    Gore got lambasted about his ‘documantary’ by a Dr. Robert Carter on the 2CC Drive Show today (Wed. March 14, 2007).

    Dr. Carter claimed that Gore’s ‘documentary’ was irresponsible.


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